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Ep. 7 | Elizabeth Huthman, Cyber Director at KPMG

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Elizabeth is a Director within KPMG’s Cyber Security team, with over 14 years of experience in the industry. She spent eight years at Deloitte delivering projects to a variety of clients across industries, with a focus on supply chain risk, culture change and awareness, data privacy and maturity assessments. She then moved into the industry at Tesco. Elizabeth led a global culture and awareness programme, targeting over 470,000 staff and lead a global team to develop a programme to manage supplier risk for circa 10,000 suppliers.

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Charles James: Welcome to my podcast, Cyber Glass Ceiling. I’m going to have a light hearted fireside chat with some people who are leaders in the industry of cybersecurity. Prominent for the fact that they are women, people of color, LGTBQ or just different. The term glass ceiling refers to sometimes invisible barriers to success that many come up against in their careers.

A management consultant called Marilyn Lowden coined the phrase almost 40 years ago regarding women rising to senior positions and says it’s still as relevant as ever today. So I’ve taken it a little step further, not just women, but people of color and bias that may exist in the workplace. And how they overcame this to become leaders in the industry.

I promise not too much swearing, no politics or religion, just a cuppa and whatever takes your fancy. Hello and welcome to my next episode of Cyberglass Ceiling. And today back in the studios in Soho, I have with me a lady called Elizabeth Huffman. Elizabeth, say hello.

Elizabeth Huthman: Hi everyone.

Charles James: How you doing? And before we start. They’re thinking who’s Elizabeth Huffman? I’m going to get her to just give her give a quick overview of Who you are and what you’re doing right now, and then we’ll get into it.

Elizabeth Huthman: Brilliant. So yeah, so I’m Liz Huthman. I am a cyber director at KPMG. So essentially client facing, helping clients to solve all of their challenges within the cybersecurity space, largely focusing on kind of cyber risk.

So I lead our third party security proposition, do a lot of work around kind of cyber maturity assessments within the privacy space all of that kind of good stuff. So I’ve been with KPMG for about 18 months now. Before that, I was at Tesco’s for six years.

Charles James: You weren’t on the tills though, were you?

Elizabeth Huthman: No, not on the tills I was in the office.

Charles James: You weren’t loading the shelves or anything like that?

Elizabeth Huthman: Well, to be fair, you do a bit of that when you’re in the office as well, which is nice so that you kind of get to understand the core of the business.

But that wasn’t my role when I was there though. So I worked in their cyber team and did a couple of roles.

So the first was rolling out their global security training and awareness program. So across the office, the stores and the distribution centers. Which means that was about 470, 000 people that, that, that went out to, which was good fun.

Charles James: Challenge?

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was. There are different stakeholder groups across the different parts of the business.

So there’s a lot that you need to kind of get through, but we got there, which is good. And then the second role that I did was overseeing and building out their global third party security programs. So that encompassed the UK business. The UK subsidiaries, the business in Asia before it was sold.

And then the countries across central Europe, which again was a really great role. And it kind of feeds into what I do a lot now at K P M G. And then before that I worked at Deloitte for, gosh, nine, 10 years. Started there actually…

Charles James: What do you mean 10 years? You’re only about 20 now. Come on. Really?

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: Wow.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah. Nine nine ish years. Yeah, I started there as a grad. That’s, that was my first, first for us. So I’ve kind of gone full circle back into professional services. And then before that I studied at Brunel and I did business management and marketing marketing. So nothing really to do with cyber.

Charles James: Indeed. Now, one of the interesting things we were speaking about before we came to the studio is you’re from Hackney, East london.

Elizabeth Huthman: I am indeed. Proud of it.

Charles James: Proud of it. And one of the things you said to me was about your school. But it got shut down.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Charles James: So, the way I imagine it is that you were just a normal girl. Not from the street, but living in Hackney. And everything was going on around you. And, and yet you’ve become this success and leader. And working for one of the big four. In KPMG. You know that deserves a round of applause and a pat on the back and all that but you know, what was what was the your thought process to not get not say not get involved in all the nonsense that goes on sometimes but was it the family? Was it the upbringing? Was it the fact that you were just like, you know, I’m not a sheep I’m gonna make my own path in life. I’m not gonna follow everybody else.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, it’s interesting. It was definitely the family influence. So, mum and dad were always kind of drumming it into my ear that, you know, you want to do well.

You can see sort of things going on around, like all sorts of things used to go on where we lived. Like…

Charles James: I can imagine.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah. It’s funny now when I think back, my mum’s house on the corner now there’s a yoga studio. And that wasn’t what was on the corner back in the day, I’ll just say that but yeah, they just used to kind of always encourage me and instill in me to kind of just do my best.

So I was around lots of people that did all sorts of things, hang out with them, but just kept myself out of, you know, crossing that line. And yeah, I really thank my parents for that. And also, I guess my, my Christian faith as well helped me along the way and kind of just making sure that I stay on the right path and do the right things.

And so, yeah, worked hard at the end of the school year. So in year six, when they got the GCSEs, there was only a handful of us really that did well. So I remember like holding my certificates up, smiling for the Gazette, taking pictures and everyone else around was just like crying, angry. saying they don’t care, all sorts of different emotions.

But yeah, that sticks in the mind because I was like, wow, this is quite a pivotal moment in my journey. And I think from there, I just went on to kind of keep going and progressing.

Charles James: So again, this is about celebration and it’s not about against all odds, but, you know, My upbringing and my growing up.

It’s, it’s completely different to most people’s upbringing and growing up. I didn’t go to university. I was homeless at 16.

My mom died at 14. So it was like, ah, heck. And so It’s that survival instinct that you kick in and it sounds like there was a bit of that, but you had that, that family and that circle of trust around you to make sure that you didn’t go across the line and go down the road.

Whereas I Let’s just say I had sports to keep me in check and I did a lot of that. Anyway, this isn’t about me.

So let’s get into it. You first have a job.

Elizabeth Huthman: Oh, so I think my first job was pretty cool. Actually. I used to work in the link. I don’t know if you remember it, the phone shop with the purple, well, purple background, white, right in the link.

Charles James: I’m going to say I have no idea.

Elizabeth Huthman: No, they were part of the Curry’s group anyway.

So yeah, when I was in college, I got a role there. Basically as a sales assistant. So selling pay as you go phones, but the gold dust was contracts. But it was cool because at the time I got to like play with all the latest devices before other people. So people would always say, Oh, Liz, what’s coming out next? I’ve been, Oh yeah, I can’t tell you, you know, we’ll see it soon.

Charles James: I’ve just had a flashback to channel four program called phone shop.

D’you remember that?

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: Was it anything like that?.

Elizabeth Huthman: But interesting now where I think about where I am now in cyber, obviously back then when we were doing contracts, you’d have to get people’s ID proof of address, proof of ID and all that sort of stuff. So I feel like I’ve had a journey all the way through linking with the cyber side. So yeah, that was my first job in the link.

Charles James: And so , I guess, what attracted you into the world of it, and especially cyber, what you do now? How did, how did that come along? ?

Elizabeth Huthman: I fell into it is the honest truth.

Charles James: Didn’t we all, didn’t we all.

Elizabeth Huthman: So when I was at uni, I basically did a sandwich course, which meant the third year was a full year of working in industry.

So I did that work placement at I B M where I essentially supported a hardware sales team kind of doing a security operations role. So I used to follow the sales team out to their different meetings and one of the meetings they went to was at Deloitte. And literally my thought process was, okay, this place looks nice.

The logo looks cool. Let me apply when I finish uni. And that is essentially what I did. When I finished uni, looked on the website at the different roles that they had, saw something that was called information security. So I’ve done an IT module. I’ve got a few things that might match, let me just go for it.

And so I did. So essentially kind of went through the application process, all of the kind of interviews and the group sessions that they make you do, but I got through and which was great. So I joined with four other grads at the time but they were, well, in cyber or in information security anyway, but there were loads of other graduates joining different parts of the firm. So that’s essentially how I got into it.

Charles James: And how did you find the interview process? In regards to you know, if we look at Deloitte’s as a business of course, it’s probably changed a little bit now, but, you know, as a, as a young girl from Hackney, was there any sort of question marks or did people give you that side eye as I call it?

Elizabeth Huthman: So I don’t think I did get anything like that. It was actually quite a positive experience for me. I think more because of where I came from and feeling like I was potentially different to other people. I didn’t feel comfortable or confident in myself. But I don’t think necessarily. They did anything to, to kind of put that perception on me or indeed the people that I interacted with there were lots of stages to the process, but yeah, managed to kind of get, get my way through them.

Charles James: Positivity, positivity.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Charles James: And you’re there in Deloitte’s and you’re doing a job. Can I ask what role that you sort of started off and grew into that?

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah. So essentially you start off kind of as a, what was called then a P1. So kind of like an analyst level within the information security team.

And I think at that stage, it’s just about getting into all sorts of projects, as many as you can to kind of understand what you like. And so that’s what I tried to do, just working across the different domain areas, building relationships where I could shadowing people as much as I could just to understand.

What do I like and where do I think that I fit in? And so that’s essentially the journey I took. And that was advice I was given as well. Kind of at that stage in your career, you like explore…

Charles James: Learn as much as you can

Elizabeth Huthman: and ask questions.

Charles James: Absolutely.

Elizabeth Huthman: No questions are silly questions. And so, yeah, I just try to do that to the best of my ability.

Charles James: Okay, that’s cool. And, when it came to moving up the ladder and you know, going for that next whether it be a P2 or P3, I’m not even sure what they’re called in Deloitte, and you’re thinking, yeah, do you know what, I could do this, and again, this is called glass ceiling for a reason, and it’s to understand how, you know, people were broken through that, but, you know, did you ever come across a co worker that was less qualified, but moved up the ladder because of whatever reason instead of yourself.

Elizabeth Huthman: So I personally don’t think I have and I think I think about that and I wonder, is it that I was oblivious to it or it just didn’t happen to me? However, I know a lot of other people who have shared experiences where that definitely has happened to them. And you tend to find that people fall into different buckets.

So some it happens, they’re really angry about it. They keep that in and that starts to portray in the way that they behave going forward. So they’re always on the defensive versus others that it happens to, and they find a way to challenge it, but in the right way to then impact change. And so when people do come to me, because even now.

Obviously in my role, people come to me and talk about different challenges that they feel that they’re having my guidance and advice to them is to challenge it in the right way and don’t let it change who you are as a person, because when you start to be on the defensive all the time, it just makes things worse for you.

And then. It gives that perception to the, to people that this is what people like you are like, and it then just spirals from there.

Charles James: “Oh, there’s the old added angry black woman.”

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, essentially. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Charles James: I get that. And so when we look at diversity in the workplace, and whether it be, you know, color, neurodiversity, you know, people that are different have you seen, because I mean, you’re not, If you’ve not worked for these little companies, you know, it’s two of the big four.

And so have you seen a change in culture within the, within the, the, the business that you’re in within the office that you’re in is it more diverse than it was when you first started? You as one of the leaders in the business have you brought anything to the table about, you know, looking at, you know, whether it’d be more diverse and a different culture.

Elizabeth Huthman: So absolutely there is change that has happened and actually part of the reason why I took the role at KPMG is because the recruiter who approached me was really bold in saying that they are looking for more diverse hires and I thought oh No one’s ever said that to me when trying to approach me for a role And so that got me to kind of speak to the partner, speak to different people in the firm to understand Well, what actually does that mean?

What are you doing? And I got to understand about the different initiatives that are going on within the firm and thought actually Wouldn’t it be nice for me to come in as a black leader and help those in the junior position to see themselves in leadership? So that was a massive reason as to why I took the role.

And I think back a couple of months ago, we had this kind of dinner for partners and directors of black heritage and it was…

Charles James: I saw it.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, brilliant. And there was just a table full of us, just all black people. We went around, everybody kind of said their position and everyone was direct to partner direct, but it was just amazing to see.

Charles James: And it’s, you know, I go back because I’m, I’m really old. So if I go back, you know, 10, 15 years, that wasn’t the case.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: And this is why it needs to be celebrated.

Elizabeth Huthman: Absolutely.

Charles James: And like I said, this is never going to be a bitch fest about anything but a celebration of how people of color, women of color have raised through the ranks to become directors, become managers, become leaders.

And, you know, this podcast is all about, do you know what, if you’re listening. You can do it.

Elizabeth Huthman: Absolutely. Absolutely.

Charles James: Yeah. You can do it. Yeah. And, you know, Elizabeth bringing you in today is like, yeah, do you know what, breath of fresh air.

We’re going to go for a break and we’re going to come back on the other side.

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Charles James: And welcome back to my latest episode of Cyber Glass Ceiling. And with me, I have Elizabeth Huffman from KPMG. Hi Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Huthman: Hey.

Charles James: Okay, second half of this, so let’s get back into it. We’ll talk about bugbears, when people from outside the company don’t recognise Or understand that you’re the leader or, you know, you’re the, the, the, the, the manager or, or whatever director has that ever happened to you?

You know, it has, right?

Elizabeth Huthman: There are times you kind of go to events or you’re in a room with people and you’re talking and then they ask us, what do you do? And when I say I’m a director, you see the eyes go big and then they come back down. Oh, okay. And I’m like, why, why does that happen? Is it the braids?

Cause I wear braids a lot. So, or is it the way I talk or just be myself? I don’t know but…

Charles James: If I was to meet you in an, in a work environment or an event environment because again, it’s the celebration is you are a director, but you look very young. You, you know, I know black people, we know black don’t crack, right?

You know, I’m 110 underneath all this. But of course the, the assumption would be that, Oh, you must be one of the juniors or you’re here to do that. And the reaction which makes me laugh all the time. When I, again, I remember I was, I was doing some business in the bank of England and you know, I was, I was the guy.

And the, the shock and the, the, the sort of blood drain from this guy’s face for you.

Elizabeth Huthman: Is he looking around you like looking for someone else?

Charles James: Exactly. Absolutely ignored me, walked past me and was looking for a guy called Charles James. And I’m like, yeah, me. And of course he’d spoken to me. But he hadn’t had a clue what I looked like.

Again, this is back in the day before LinkedIn was a thing and I found it funny because I just watched the blood drain from his face when he, you know, he messed up. But no, I get that. And I mean, you go to these events now, and I guess you speak at these events and like I said, the world’s slightly different today, but, you know, with a lot of people I interview, it still happens.

And it’s not just about color. It’s about gender as well. And you still got folk out there that don’t recognize that.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: Yeah. Why could, why can’t you be a leader? As well as being black as well as being a female.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, yeah.

Charles James: And I’m glad you said that there’s lots of initiatives out there. And that’s one of the things that Sort of dragged you to KPMG and attracted you to KPMG. So that’s kind of cool. So, we’re both in cyber security…

Elizabeth Huthman: We are indeed

Charles James: And I want to touch on it quickly because where you work with a lot of businesses around their cybersecurity challenges. So without Delving the into the secrets. What’s the recurring theme that you’re finding within cybersecurity and the threat landscape?

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, so I would say, yeah, and obviously I speak to clients like across different industries, right? The two things that are always kind of front of mind as being worry areas are ransomware and third party compromise. So a lot of clients come to us to say, you know, these are the threats that we’re concerned about.

What can we do about that? Can you look into the controls that we’ve got to see whether there is anything we need to do to improve in these areas? So those are definitely the two areas. They’re looking more to see how they can use technology to kind of support that process. Because obviously now there are only finite resources in an organization, people are busy.

And so they’re looking to see how can automation support that or things like continuous control monitoring, or how can we kind of get more involved with our peers to support one another in this journey and not see it as we can’t share information in that, in that respect. So those are the types of things that clients always come to us to talk about.

Another thing is around kind of cyber insurance. So a lot of people say, come to us and kind of say, well, is it worth having it? We’re confused about the. the benefits of it versus the cost and the, the amount of things to go through to actually get a policy. We did this event recently with some organizations and one of them said they look to kind of be insurable, but don’t get the insurance, which I thought was an interesting take, because essentially it means you.

You pull your control environment up to the right level but don’t necessarily go for the policy and then they invest that in things like cyber response services. So that was an interesting angle.

Charles James: Yeah I spoke with my last episode Lorraine Todd, who’s the global IT director for Lathwaite Wines.

And we both have the same sort of thought. It’s a case of… You mentioned insurance and I remember as a youngster someone said to me, well there’s insurance and there’s assurance.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: Yeah.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: When you take out car insurance, it’s not a case of you’re going to have an accident, but you may have an accident.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: Assurance is that I’m sure something’s going to happen. We live, we die.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: Yeah.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: So. When it comes to cyber insurance interesting because Lorraine and I were speaking about it and our take is that it’s not a case of if but when?

Elizabeth Huthman: In terms of an attack, right?

Charles James: Yeah.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah absolutely, I agree on that point.

Charles James: When it does happen, how are you prepared?

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah,

Charles James: And it’s about the preparedness of attack, whether it be a third party or, or, or, or as you call it, ransomware or whatever it may be. And of course it was highlighted a few weeks ago now, was it last week or the week before, when a payroll company was attacked. through third party software and application.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: BBC and, was it?

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, BBC, BAA yep.

Charles James: And someone else.

Elizabeth Huthman: Loads of others, yeah.

Charles James: Got attacked. And, so, doesn’t, I mean I don’t know enough about cyber insurance, but it’s an interesting one. And KPMG. Your job, doing that due diligence, making sure people call it cyber ready. We’re in this business and practical cyber security advice, you would give to your family, your friends regarding their everyday.

Elizabeth Huthman: Stay off the internet, just don’t use it. No, honestly I think a lot of friends and family are so carried away with this whole social media life.

And so everything’s about click here, click there, like this, like that, show everything that you’re doing. So my advice is just be conscious of what you’re sharing on these platforms and how you’re doing it, how frequently you are. How, how much you’re exposing essentially of yourself, because yeah, the power of that passive reconnaissance is immense.

Like attackers can literally go through, gather all this information about someone and put together a very factual, you know, profile of an individual. So that’s one of the things I always say to people, just be conscious of. How much you’re sharing and what you’re sharing and why you’re sharing it and who you’re sharing it with and you know, your settings on on different profiles.

Like, do you need to have a public or can you close it out? Like all the all those kind of little things. And obviously when it comes to attacks, like fishing is still that very most common approach that we see as initial compromise. So just reminding people around So, You know, they’re just kind of approaching the things that they’re doing.

So when they’re looking at emails or and they’re on phones or on social media, just be careful because not everybody’s out there just to kind of entertain you sadly. There are some who are there to cause harm.

Charles James: So a couple of questions left.

Elizabeth Huthman: Go for it.

Charles James: What advice would you give anyone looking to get to cyber security? So Elizabeth’s 20 year old self, she’s in Hackney. There’s all the nonsense going around, but you’re driven, you’re ambitious. Now that you’ve done it and you’re now a director at KPMG, what would you tell your 20 year old self?

Elizabeth Huthman: Hmm. So I would tell her to… show her interest in the area. So kind of making sure that she’s looking at things that are happening. So like the attacks that are happening, are you keeping up with the news articles, or are you trying to get some training that will support you to get into the industry?

And then also look at the skills that you’ve got that can transfer into roles within cyber, because actually cyber needs. So many different types of people. So if you’re somebody that likes to be technical, there are tons of roles for you. But if you’re not like that and prefer to kind of speak to people.

So you like stakeholder management a bit more. There are loads of roles in kind of security risks, security, governance, compliance, that. That will be a good fit for you. So an interesting, there are lots of people that come to me for advice that are trying to get into the industry. Some that I’ve actually had really established careers and just want to break in and others that are like starting out.

And I think that advice goes for both ways. And also if you see a job ad, cause for women, a lot of the time we see a job ad and we want to tick every box. I know that I, I can fall into that myself, whereas men, I think sometimes can certainly from what I see from my husband anyway, he can see, I don’t know, 30, 40, 50 percent and be like, yeah, that’s fine.

I’ll go for it. And I think as women, we need to do that a bit more as well. You don’t have to tick every box to go for a job. And there are other things that you can bring to the table. So be confident to apply for things, even when you don’t feel like you meet all the criteria they’re asking for.

Charles James: Absolutely. And you know, I always speak about diversity in the workplace and different people bring different things. So, as you said, you know, if you like talking, do that bit. If you’re more techie, do that bit. And you know, whether you’re, again, female, male, different cultures, religious, whatever it may be.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: I grew up in the world of Microsoft and I did that for a long time, made my brain bleed. And then I did the switch over to cyber security back in sort of 2012 with mobile MDM back in the day. And it worked when you have a diverse bunch of people all aiming for the same goal.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: And it’s interesting because Even today in some instances you see and I keep saying I don’t mind saying it I don’t mean to offend anybody but middle aged white men gray hair bad t shirts And there’s so many examples of the same around at the same And so as a business, how do you grow when you’ve got the same, same, same?.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah.

Charles James: You need that difference. You need people that bring different ideas, have different backgrounds. And again, it’s just a highlight there.

Elizabeth Huthman: Absolutely.

Charles James: So, on that you, you spoke about, you have children.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yes.

Charles James: You spoke about your husband. So, you know, what do you do for fun?

Elizabeth Huthman: So I actually love weight training. Like, love, love, love it. So, and I go gym at six in the morning, Monday to Friday, to do my training. That’s the only time I can fit it in around the kids.

Charles James: Oh my god.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, yeah, because, yeah, that’s the, that’s the best time for me to get it in and know that it’s done. Because end of the day, I’m like, physically, mentally tired. I can’t even think about going to the gym, so. Yeah, that’s when I go in. But yeah, I just love it. The thought or the feeling you get from being able to lift more. Just love it.

Charles James: I’m done. The endorphins. No, I do get it. And like I said, I used to play sport, but yeah, but yeah, no, great. Fantastic. Yeah. So weightlifting.

Elizabeth Huthman: And a bit of boxing as well, do a bit of boxing.

Charles James: Now I’m scared.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah. Get all the frustrations out of you though.

Charles James: So on that, I think there’s a this weekend there’s a lot of women’s boxing on Sky Sports I think it is. Any thoughts on that?

Elizabeth Huthman: So I’m not much of a watcher, I’m more of a doer.

Charles James: And do you box other women, or do you spar?

Elizabeth Huthman: No, just like with my PT.

Charles James: Oh, the bag?

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, well not just the bag, he has the gloves and does all different tricks. So I feel like I know a lot of the moves, but I don’t know if I’m ready to get in the ring.

Charles James: Next step, get your head guard on, right, put your mouth guard in, and start it. You have to cut down the ring, and start. Can I say this? Yeah, I used to box but train.

Elizabeth Huthman: All right. Okay. Okay.

Charles James: I’ve got a good friend of mine called Billy Schwer, who was the IBO light middle lightweight champion way back when I think in the late nineties, mid late nineties. Hi Billy how you doing? And we used to train together and we used to spa, but I don’t have the mentality to hurt somebody as in, I’m going to knock you out type thing. And but I could throw a punch and I could take a punch apart from when I saw stars one time, you know, I’m done, you know, gloves off, but no, that’s, that’s, that’s really cool.

That’s really interesting. So apart from. You’re weightlifting and being strong and doing that the endorphins. You know, kicking in to do stuff with the family? Do, you know, do the whole, you know, going out, food, entertainment stuff?

Elizabeth Huthman: Oh, I love good, love good food. Yeah, always had a big appetite. So when I was small, I was a lot bigger.

So, yeah, been on a journey of that losing that weight, but the appetite is always there. So, yeah, I love a good night out to eat. Thai food is good. I enjoy. So yeah, yeah. Always makes me happy.

Charles James: Where do you see yourself five years from now? So when you’re about 30, I guess, geez.

Elizabeth Huthman: A bit more than that.

Charles James: So yeah, five years from now.

Elizabeth Huthman: Oh, yeah. This is an interesting question. So I get asked a lot, like, do you want to be partner or are you going to go for it? And this is, and my honest answer right now is, I don’t know what I do know is though in five years, I want to be in a position of leadership still, or even, you know, progress that further and still make sure that I am.

Supporting junior people of black heritage, but of different ethnic minorities to just support them, build their confidence, help them to grow in the cyber security industry. So wherever I am, that has to be a part of what I’m doing because that’s where I find fulfillment.

Charles James: Okay. And leading more events like the one I saw you out there? Well, I saw on LinkedIn.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, I know. I love, love, love attending events and speaking at them and networking. So I absolutely want to do more.

Charles James: Was that led by KPMG?

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah. Yeah.

Charles James: Fantastic.

Elizabeth Huthman: It was, yeah.

Charles James: Fantastic. Yeah. And, and you’re all over that. Yeah. , no, I’m, I’m really pleased. I’m really happy about that.

Elizabeth Huthman: I’ll invite you to the next one.

Charles James: Yes. There you go. Why not? Now final question. We’ve got up to the end already.

Elizabeth Huthman: Wow. That was quick.

Charles James: Yeah. Well, you know, do not worry about that.

Elizabeth Huthman: Time flies when you’re having fun and all.

Charles James: Time flies indeed. So you should have had this question about your U and your USP, your unique selling point.

Elizabeth Huthman: So I think it’s just my personality. I just get on well with whoever I’m around or in the room with, even when they’re quite different to me, I find some way to connect with them. So that, that’s it for me.

Charles James: So it’s, you’re a people person.

Elizabeth Huthman: Yeah, absolutely. Able to build a rapport.

Charles James: Smiley and you come across amazing if I say so myself.

Elizabeth Huthman: Thank you.

Charles James: And you can communicate in. A great way.

Elizabeth Huthman: Very kind.

Charles James: Elizabeth Huffman from KPMG. Director in Cyber Security. Thank you.

Elizabeth Huthman: Oh, it was great to be on. Thank you for having me.

Charles James: No worries.

Salt Group: This episode was brought to you by salt Cyber Security, part of Salt Group, who specialise in providing trust across digital channels by helping major financial institutions verify the identity of their users and authenticating high value transactions in the UK and globally.

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